Session Start: Sat Jan 11 14:38:51 1997
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<GMonkey> Howdy!
<BabyRain> yo!
*** BabyRain sets mode: +o GMonkey
<GMonkey> Thanks muchly.
<BabyRain> You are most welcome.
<BabyRain> So, who are we to expect?
<GMonkey> Just Gayle, I think.
<GMonkey> Leanne may make it a bit later.
<BabyRain> Okay.  Did Leanne say maybe?
<BabyRain> ok
<GMonkey> Right now, I'm finishing up copying Ape Boy.
<GMonkey> The episode had its moments, but overall it was pretty 
silly.
<BabyRain> It sounds silly, just from the title. 
<GMonkey> Yeah, the gang finds a boy raised by apes.
<GMonkey> The problem is that they take it too seriously.
<BabyRain> Can you say Tarzan?
<BabyRain> I knew you could.
<GMonkey> Tarzan. :)
<GMonkey> You knew I would. :)
<BabyRain> :)
<GMonkey> Just waiting for them to say the last lines so I can 
turn off the VCR.
<BabyRain> I hope Tom comes.
<GMonkey> Did you see all the episodes as a kid or are there some 
you've never seen before.
<GMonkey> I don't think he'll show up today.
<BabyRain> I think I've seen them all.
<GMonkey> Too early in the morning for him.
<BabyRain> He is a cowboy.  Maybe he has a rooster.
<GMonkey> All finished.
<GMonkey> They reunited the Ape Boy with his father and they all 
lived happily ever after.
<GMonkey> How many of the episodes do you remember?
<BabyRain> Wanna bet that they had fun when the kid grew up and 
had a thing for apes?
<BabyRain> Looking at the episode guide, I remember most of them. 
 I don't remember The Sultan of Swat very well, though.  I 
might've fallen asleep during that one.
<GMonkey> I wouldn't blame you.  I taped that one earlier today.  
It was just as bad as ever.
<GMonkey> Remember how Jeff said that the closer it came to 
shooting, the stupider Corky got?
<BabyRain> Or maybe Megan woke up and I had to read her a story 
or something.
<BabyRain> Yeah, I remember.
<GMonkey> Well, they must have had to rewrite that puppy really 
close to shooting because *everybody* acts stupid in it.
<BabyRain> Except Sarah.
<GMonkey> Obviously. :)
<BabyRain> I watched the pilot again last night.  I am so glad 
they replaced Ron Moody.  He just wasn't Louie.
<GMonkey> You really should read the original script.  It's very 
good.
<GMonkey> Yeah, I agree.  The first Louie was just too coarse.
<GMonkey> Not the sophisticated rogue we know and love.
<BabyRain> Like I said, "'e was like uh lumber JACK from up near 
de Bat-erst, ye know."  (You really need to hear this to get 
the full effect. :)
<GMonkey> Hey, I just got an idea.  (Don't be frightened.)
* BabyRain trembles.
<GMonkey> How about we split the MonkeyChat's up a bit on 
Saturdays.
<BabyRain> ?
<GMonkey> We chat from 11 am to noon ET.  Break for an hour 
(lunch!) and then resume chatting at 1 pm ET.
<GMonkey> That way, you can join in the first part and more 
people can join in the second half.
<BabyRain> I think if we organize it too much, it'll get too 
confusing.  
<GMonkey> Well, maybe we could start at 11 ET, I could go away 
for a while, but continue logging, and then return around 1 pm.
<BabyRain> Perhaps if we say we're starting at 10 am EST, and 
that someone will probably be on until at least 2 EST, then 
people can come and go as they please.
<GMonkey> The only problem is that it means that I stuck here all 
day. :(
<BabyRain> No.  As I said, *you* can come and go as you please. 
<GMonkey> But how far could I go?
<GMonkey> Actually, if we start at 11 am, that should give me 
plenty of time to run my errands.
<GMonkey> 10 am is really cutting it close.
<BabyRain> I meant 11.  I was uusing the same hours you chose. 
<GMonkey> Okay!  What time do you usually leave for your meeting?
<BabyRain> Well, I have to start getting ready around 1.
<GMonkey> So you should be able to chat for at least an hour.
<BabyRain> Yup.
<GMonkey> So that's cool!  Is it cool with you?
<BabyRain> Yup, but post it to the board and see what they think.
<GMonkey> Okey dokey.
<GMonkey> We can keep the room open from 11 am to 3 pm ET.
<GMonkey> I won't be there the whole time though.
<GMonkey> I'll be making lunch, doing laundry, basic household 
stuff.
<BabyRain> Neither will I.
<GMonkey> But more people will be able to join in.
<GMonkey> We need fresh blood!
<BabyRain> Well, it's after 11 AST now.
<GMonkey> I know!
<BabyRain> Aaargh.
<GMonkey> Where's Gayle?  This was her idea!!!
<BabyRain> Good question.
<GMonkey> Let me e-mail her.
<GMonkey> brb
<BabyRain> I miss Jeff.
<GMonkey> He'll be back.
<BabyRain> I hope so.  He adds that "je ne sais quoi" to the 
chats.  No offense, but it's just not as fun without him. :(
<GMonkey> No offense taken.
<BabyRain> And I miss Lesley.  How long has it been since we all 
chatted together?
<GMonkey> Too long.
<GMonkey> I'd say around late November.
<GMonkey> It's still snowing out.
<GMonkey> Make it stop!!!!
<BabyRain> I'm Baby rain, not Baby Snow, Patricia. :)
<GMonkey> Precipitation is precipitation! :)
<BabyRain> Technicality.
<GMonkey> Well, I'm a technical kinda gal. :)
<GMonkey> Perhaps I should start copying another episode.
<GMonkey> Next on my list is High Stakes Lady.
<BabyRain> Ah.
<GMonkey> Also, perhaps I should put some clothes on. :)
<GMonkey> I'm still lounging about in my pajamas.
<BabyRain> Clothes?  You've been chatting  naked?
* BabyRain is glad it's not a CUSeeMe channel.
<GMonkey> Hey, watch it!!! :)
<BabyRain> No, the point is, I don't want to. :)
<GMonkey> Oooo, I'm gonna get ya!!! :)
<BabyRain> Like to see you try. :)
<GMonkey> Wait till this snow stops!!! :)
<BabyRain> I hate snow.
<GMonkey> I'll bring some with me. :)
* BabyRain is keeping her binoculars pealed for ^otter^s.
<GMonkey> Let's give her until noon AST.  If nobody shows up, 
we'll call it a day.
<BabyRain> Okay.
<GMonkey> Then tomorrow, I'll float my new chat plan.
<BabyRain> Do you have a screen capture of the monkey?
<GMonkey> No, sorry. :(
<BabyRain> (sniff)
<BabyRain> I love the monkey.
<GMonkey> Do you still have your cold?
<BabyRain> Yes.
<BabyRain> It's really gross.
* GMonkey is also glad it's not a CUSeeMe channel.
<BabyRain> You can't see my purple nails, though. :)
<GMonkey> I'll live. :)
<BabyRain> I'll paint them purple for your visit.  When are you 
coming, anyway?  April?  early May?
<GMonkey> Around then.  I haven't picked a weekend yet.
<BabyRain> Mid-late May is bad.  I'll be going back to work then, 
and it's open seven days a week.
<GMonkey> How about the last weekend in April, whatever that is?
<BabyRain> Okay, one sec.
<BabyRain> I'm checking the date on the calendar Lesley sent me.
<BabyRain> The Friday is April 25.
<GMonkey> I could maybe take a half day at work and drive up 
during the afternoon evening of that Friday.
<BabyRain> The snow should be gone by then.
<BabyRain> Sounds good. :)
* BabyRain is getting excited.
<GMonkey> Perhaps I could also take that Monday off, so I could 
stay all day Saturday and Sunday.
<GMonkey> Then drive back early Monday.
<BabyRain> That would be AWESOME!
<GMonkey> Okay, let me mark it in the calendar that Lesley sent 
me.
<BabyRain> I'll mark it on mine, too.  When's the Gold Monkey 
Gathering again?
<GMonkey> September 20-21.
<BabyRain> Okay.  I'll put that on, too.
<BabyRain> (writing) Gold ... Monkey ... International ... Summit 
...
<GMonkey> My, that makes it sound important. :)
<BabyRain> It is. :)
<GMonkey> Well, that goes without saying. :)
<BabyRain> How many other shows without the word "Trek" do you 
know of that inspired such a loyal following after being off 
the air almost fifteen years? :)
<GMonkey> Umm...can't think of any off hand.
<BabyRain> See?  IT ISA AN EVENT. :)
* BabyRain really has to watch her typing.
<GMonkey> Okay, okay.  Calm down.
<GMonkey> Hey, what are some nice hotels in Saint John?
<BabyRain> But I thought it was my fanaticism that made me so 
endearing.  Or is that why SC is scared of the Monkiacs?  
Because of my enthusiasm? :)
<GMonkey> I think he's just scared of you. :)
<BabyRain> The Hilton's $89 CDN a night, if we book it through 
the TIC.
<BabyRain> Probably.
<GMonkey> Ooooo, the Hilton.  Ritzy.
<BabyRain> It's right on the water.
<GMonkey> Oooo, the water.  Wetsy. :)
<BabyRain> Then there's  the Delta.  Can't remember their rate, 
ut as long as  there isn't another summit in town..
<GMonkey> How far is the Hilton from your house?
<BabyRain> Driving-wise?
<BabyRain> Five minutes.
<GMonkey> That's cool!!!
<BabyRain> I can walk to it in about twenty.
* GMonkey is bouncing just a wee bit.
<BabyRain> And that's only because of the hills.
<GMonkey> Oooo, cool!!!  Walking would do me good.
<BabyRain> We can go visit the L'il Shop of Science. :)
<GMonkey> Can we have dino wars?
<BabyRain> Walking?  I can give you a historic walking tour of 
Saint John.  I could use the warm-up, actually.
* GMonkey is bouncing even more.
<BabyRain> We can have dino wars so long as Blake isn't looking. 
:)
<GMonkey> Hey, we'd be paying customers.  And the customer is 
always right! :)
<BabyRain> True.  Casn I be the brachiosaur? :)
<GMonkey> Oh, okay. :)
<BabyRain> You want to be the Tyrannosaurus Pat, right?
<GMonkey> That'd be fine. :)
<GMonkey> Hey, tourist lady, do you have any flyers about Saint 
John and the Hilton?
<BabyRain> Yup.  I can get them.
<BabyRain>  I'll pick them up today.
<GMonkey> Wicked cool!!!!  Thanks!!!!
<BabyRain> No problem.  In the meantime, there's a link on my 
page that takes you to the tourism page for Saint JOhn, if you 
want.
<BabyRain> And I was serious about the walking tour. :)
<BabyRain> I just won't have my costume yet. :)
<GMonkey> That's fine with me.  I'm a walker.
<GMonkey> That's the only exercise I enjoy.
<GMonkey> Hate health clubs!
<BabyRain> Same here. :)
<GMonkey> I get bored very easily.  With walking, you just can't 
quit from boredom.  You have to walk back.
<BabyRain> I can show you my high school and everything. :)  But 
we'll have to do the walking tour on Saturday, because 
everything is closed on Sunday.
<GMonkey> Besides, after the long ride, I'll need to give Baby a 
rest.
<GMonkey> That's fine.  We can recover on Sunday. :)
<BabyRain> The worst part of your drive will be getting up the 
driveway. :)
<BabyRain> We can Monkey on Sunday.
<GMonkey> Neato!!!  I'll bring the nachos. :)
<BabyRain> Alright! :)
<GMonkey> Will Doug join us?
* BabyRain is getting really excited about this.
<BabyRain> On the walking tour?  Nah.  He doesn't like walking.  
It'll be just us girls.  And then there's the "painfully shy" 
thing.  He'll probably be working, anyway.
<GMonkey> How 'bout Sunday?
<BabyRain> He's not much of a TV person, I'm afraid/.
<GMonkey> So, it'll be Girls Weekend Out, huh? :)
<BabyRain> Yup. :)
<GMonkey> Sounds fun!
<BabyRain> I'll send you the stuff and you can tell me what you'd 
like to do.  Some things will be closed, because tourism 
season doesn't hit until mid-May, but ...
<GMonkey> I'm sure we'll find something to amuse ourselves with. 
:)
<GMonkey> Hmmmm...I'll have to get Canadian cash, won't I?
<BabyRain> No doubt. :)  If all else fails, we could go on a tour 
of the Bridges of King's County.
<BabyRain> Oh, you'll love the exchange rate.  Americans always 
do. :)
<GMonkey> But I'll have to get the money here, or will banks be 
open on Saturday?
<GMonkey> If all else fails, I could charge everything.  That's 
what VISA cards are for. :)
<BabyRain> Actyually, because we're so close to the border, a lot 
of places will take American money.  But there is a bank 
uptown that is open on Saturday.
<BabyRain> I think the going rate is 1.32%.
<GMonkey> Neato!!!  I just want to get too much cash and then be 
stuck with it.
<BabyRain> That's at the stores.  Ours, anyway.
<GMonkey> Of course, I could give it to you. :)
<BabyRain> Well, you could always give it to me. :)
<GMonkey> JINX!
<BabyRain> jinx
<BabyRain> jinx
<GMonkey> Jinx to infinity!!1
<BabyRain> To infinity and beyond!
<GMonkey> You really do miss LaLa, don't you?
<BabyRain> It's just not the same with only two of us.
<BabyRain> It's like high-speed email.
<GMonkey> I know.  A proper chat is with at least 3 people.
<BabyRain> Exactly.
<GMonkey> Well, we'll give Gayle and anybody else 15 more 
minutes, then we'll go.
<BabyRain> Okay.
<BabyRain> I'll go uptown early and stop at the TIC.
* GMonkey is squirming in her chair with excitement.
<BabyRain> Although, I should probably right something for this 
meeting.
<GMonkey> Don't even say it, Babyrain!!!
<BabyRain> I'm so excited!!!
<BabyRain> I mean write. (sigh)
<BabyRain> Tom's coming!!!!
<GMonkey> How about a treatise on proper grammar. :)
<GMonkey> Really?!!!
* BabyRain crosses her fingers.
<GMonkey> Let's see if he makes it all the way.
<BabyRain> Yes.  He's in my notify list.
<GMonkey> Can he find his way here?
<BabyRain> I hope so.  I just messaged him.
* GMonkey holds her breath with anticipation
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<GMonkey> Yippee!!!
<tjgcowboy> hello did I make it
<GMonkey> Yep!  Welcome!
<tjgcowboy> My God. Really. I'm here? How'd I do it
<BabyRain> YAY!!!!
<tjgcowboy> and where am I????
<GMonkey> I believe it's magic.
<tjgcowboy> okay... so is it just you two and me right now?
<GMonkey> Don't ask many questions. :)
<GMonkey> Yes.  Everybody else has wimped out so far.
<BabyRain> So nice to see you!
<tjgcowboy> Just go with the flow? Okay... 
<tjgcowboy> Okay, I'm on... so YOU ask questions!
<GMonkey> Karen, do you want to begin?
<tjgcowboy> Well, at least this cowboy has rode his
<tjgcowboy> "bull" and stayed on!
<tjgcowboy> That's good enough for me!
<BabyRain> Yup, just us.  
<GMonkey> Karen, are you lagging behind?
-> [BabyRain] PING
<BabyRain> Shall we, MonkeyWoman?
<GMonkey> Karen, do you want to begin?
<GMonkey> Shall we what, Karen?
<tjgcowboy> Okay, so you have me all to yourselves
<tjgcowboy> take advantage of it!
<BabyRain> Well done.  I'm proud of you.
<tjgcowboy> Yes... shall you what? Is this a rite of
<tjgcowboy> passage?
<BabyRain> Okay.
<GMonkey> Tom, I think Karen is lagging behind us.
<BabyRain> No.  I'm thinking. :)
<tjgcowboy> Hey, I could tell you about the "Distant Shout" poem.
<GMonkey> So she's responding to 104 seconds after us.
<GMonkey> Great.  So who wrote the poem?
-> [tjgcowboy] PING
<tjgcowboy> passage?
<BabyRain> Dangerous words, cowboy. :)
<tjgcowboy> I did. We weren't going to even have a poem but I 
discovered
<tjgcowboy> that it would help. You see, I started that story
<BabyRain> Uh-oh.  Maybe I am lagging.
<tjgcowboy> from a "title" I had in my list of good titles
<tjgcowboy> with no stories.
<tjgcowboy> So, the whole idea came first from the title,
<BabyRain> ]1 sec
<tjgcowboy> and then as I said, from that statue I had since I 
was a kid.
-> [BabyRain] PING
<tjgcowboy> When we were about to finish the script (George Giger 
and me)
<tjgcowboy> I was walking from my office to Don's office
<tjgcowboy> which was a long walk down a steep hill and 
<tjgcowboy> I was walking like in a march, and suddenly the
<tjgcowboy> beat just got to me, and I started reciting this
<tjgcowboy> poem. By the time I got into George's office I
-> [BabyRain] PING
<tjgcowboy> to go with it, and I sang it to him!
<BabyRain> Tom, who was your favourite character to write 
dialogue for?
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<tjgcowboy> and using it to keep from getting scared.
<GMonkey> Ooops...sorry about that.
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<GMonkey> Got disconnected there.
<tjgcowboy> End of story. Next?
<GMonkey> Thanks.
<GMonkey> Are we all in sync now?
-> [BabyRain] PING
<tjgcowboy> I feel bad, I'm talking over you too!
-> [tjgcowboy] PING
<BabyRain> Oh, thank God.  I'm back.  I was lagging three and a 
half minutes!
<BabyRain> Tom, that's really neat, about the poem.
<GMonkey> That's no problem, Tom.  We were just having technical 
difficulties.
<GMonkey> We seem to be fine now.
<BabyRain> We get those a lot, especially at the most imopportune 
times.
<tjgcowboy> Hey... what's a "Ping" Does it hurt?
<GMonkey> We were just checking to see how much lag time there 
was between us.
<BabyRain> A ping is a command that times how long it takes 
something typed on one computer to get to another user's 
screen.
<GMonkey> Our "ping" in now around 2-3 seconds.
<BabyRain> Lag is what happens when it takes a long time.
<GMonkey> Before it was 2-3 minutes.
<BabyRain> Lag causes major, major consternation. :)
<GMonkey> Makes a big difference when you're trying to carry on a 
conversation.
<tjgcowboy> Well cowboys tend to take their time. :)
<BabyRain> Cowboys take their time, you say? :)
<GMonkey> So, Tom, are you ready for another question?
<GMonkey> Try to keep this chat "clean", Babyrain. :)
<BabyRain> Tom, who was your favourite character to write 
dialogue for?  And who was the most difficult?
<BabyRain> I'm being good.
<tjgcowboy> My fav, of course was Louie.
<tjgcowboy> First off, he's a great actor, and then I could
<tjgcowboy> have him say all that great "bigger than life" stuff,
<tjgcowboy> and I love French!
<tjgcowboy> Sarah was the hardest, since she seemed to come off
<tjgcowboy> many times a bit whinny.
<GMonkey> We noticed. :)
<tjgcowboy> Not the actresses fault... it was the character.
<tjgcowboy> That's why as I said before I loved the way
<tjgcowboy> she reacted in LAST CHANCE LOUIE when she catches
<tjgcowboy> Faye and Steve in a kiss.
<tjgcowboy> She says I'm not your baby sister here, I've come
<tjgcowboy> to help Louie. She had balls in that scene!
<tjgcowboy> So to speak...
<tjgcowboy> :)
<BabyRain> Sarah was a bit ... needy, most of the time, wasn't 
she?
<tjgcowboy> Well, she's on that island all that time, and never
<tjgcowboy> gets... ahhh... warmth... shall we say.
<tjgcowboy> I think she was going a bit mad.
<BabyRain> And Monkey Woman told *me* to be good.  HA! :)
<GMonkey> I have more control over you, BR! :)
<BabyRain> I think I'd be a bit mad, being that close to Jake all 
the time, with no ... ahhh ... warmth. :)  But at least she 
was spared Willie. :)
<GMonkey> Well, I just received a question from Lorie this 
morning...
<GMonkey> Not to change the subject.
<BabyRain> That's what you think, Pat.
<tjgcowboy> We used to joke that she and Wille maybe had a thing
<tjgcowboy> going on!
<BabyRain> Sleeping with theenemy.  I love it!
<GMonkey> Now, that would have made an interesting storyline.
<tjgcowboy> Yes, in fact that was going to be the title of a 
show: "Sleeping with the Enemy"
* BabyRain is good. :)
* GMonkey thinks that is a matter of opinion. :)
<tjgcowboy> Hey girls, don't be good for my sake!
* BabyRain slaps GMonkey around a bit with a large trout
<BabyRain> :)
<tjgcowboy> I'm almost an adult and have seen "the world"!
<GMonkey> But speaking of storylines, Lorie asked if there were 
any storylines that you folks developed but never made.
<GMonkey> Hey, I'm trying to fulfill my duties as Monkey Woman 
here.
<GMonkey> If I don't, then the Monkey Woman runner-up takes over. 
:)
<tjgcowboy> Oh yes, I had all kinds of ideas!
<BabyRain> Yes, Tom.  What were some of the story ideas?
<tjgcowboy> We wanted to open the show up to have them get into
<tjgcowboy> pre-war China more.
<tjgcowboy> Also we wanted the Monkey Bar to become a China 
Clipper
<tjgcowboy> stop every week which would bring in stories.
<tjgcowboy> We did it a few times, in Naka Jima and Force of 
Habit
<tjgcowboy> but we were going to do more with it.
<tjgcowboy> Of course we also liked some shows and were going
<tjgcowboy> to bring back some characters, especially in Nun!
<tjgcowboy> Hey, trival thing here. Did you know that the actress
<tjgcowboy> who planned the Nun ended up marrying a priest
<tjgcowboy> in REAL LIFE, and he had to leave his church!
<tjgcowboy> That was ten years later!
<GMonkey> How did I survive this long without knowing all this 
information? :)
<tjgcowboy> So maybe there was hope for Jake!
<tjgcowboy> I also wanted Louie to have more of a love life!
<tjgcowboy> Give him some women, etc.
<tjgcowboy> Unfortunatley, in TV when your stars fall in love
<tjgcowboy> with someone, you have to kill them in the end!
<tjgcowboy> People like you two lovely ladies watching, don't 
want
<BabyRain> That's neat about the "nun".
<tjgcowboy> to see Jake... taken.
<tjgcowboy> Same problem in Magnum PI!
<BabyRain> I wouldn't say that, Tom ... :)
<tjgcowboy> We also joked about doing cross-over shows, where
<GMonkey> Oh, I don't know.
<tjgcowboy> Jake flies his goose with Corky and go into a 
time-warp
<tjgcowboy> and end up on Magnum's estate.
<tjgcowboy> Or visa versa.
<GMonkey> That would have been neat!
<BabyRain> I think if Jake had been taken by a sultry Canadian 
...
<tjgcowboy> Reason is... when Simon and Simon was in trouble
<BabyRain> That would have been cool!  And Jack could have met 
Zeus and Apollo!
<tjgcowboy> we did a cross-over between that and Magnum, and
<GMonkey> Do you know any sultry Canadians, BR? :)
<tjgcowboy> suddenly their ratings went up. could have worked for 
Monkey.
<BabyRain> Bien sur, mon amie.
<BabyRain> I liked Simon and Simon, too.
<tjgcowboy> Zeus? Are we talking about JASON AND THE ARGONAUTS 
NOW?
<tjgcowboy> Hey, and which one of you is "sultry?"
<BabyRain> Wasn't Zeus one of the dog's names on Magnum?
<GMonkey> Karen seems to think she is.
<BabyRain> I am! :)
<GMonkey> I'm more exotic than sultry. :)
<tjgcowboy> Yes, Zeus and Appolo. You're right. The "boys"
<BabyRain> How is "Jason" going, anyway?
<tjgcowboy> What's the dif between exotic and sultry?
<tjgcowboy> Being married or not? :)
<BabyRain> A glance.
<GMonkey> Wait, let me look that up.
<GMonkey> brb
<BabyRain> Hey.
<BabyRain> No fair.
<BabyRain> :)
<tjgcowboy> Okay ladies. sit down and take a breath
<GMonkey> Babyrain's just jealous because I have a dictionary. :)
<tjgcowboy> I love it when beautiful women fight! :)
<BabyRain> Monkey Woman's jealous because *I* don't need a 
dictionary. :)
<tjgcowboy> Back to Jason: I've done the "bible" and directed
<tjgcowboy> the pilot, and wrote the first episode.
* BabyRain gives Tom a sultry look.
<tjgcowboy> There's a thing in New Orleans called NAPTE
<tjgcowboy> and they'll be there next week (Gaumont TV) to
<tjgcowboy> finalize the whole thing... or crash and burn.
<GMonkey> SULTRY:  very hot and humid, burning hot
<tjgcowboy> At least it will be yeah or nay soon!
<GMonkey> Keep us posted, will ya, Tom?
<BabyRain> I'll keep my fingers crossed for you, Tom.
<tjgcowboy> Hey, who just gave me a sultry look?!?!?!? O)
<GMonkey> The Canuck! :)
<tjgcowboy> Yikes. This is great. Two women and me. I should
<GMonkey> It's snowing here in Mass., so I can't be sultry. :)
<tjgcowboy> do this more often!
<BabyRain> Well, Tom, now that you know how ...
<tjgcowboy> It's 75 here in LA.
<BabyRain> We'd love to have you.  Here, chatting, I mean ... :)
<GMonkey> Do you want me to hate you, Tom?
<tjgcowboy> Blue skies, puffy clouds. Beautiful. I have the
<tjgcowboy> AC on!
<GMonkey> Then don't tell me about the weather out there. :)
<tjgcowboy> Which one wants to have me? The sultry one
<tjgcowboy> or the exotic one?
<BabyRain> It's in the high twenties here.  That's Fahrenheit, 
not Celsius.  Brrr.
<tjgcowboy> All the windows are open so the breeze can
<tjgcowboy> come in.
<tjgcowboy> I live up in the Hollywood Hills.
<BabyRain> I'm so jealous.
<tjgcowboy> You can see the "sign" from my bathroom window!
<GMonkey> EXOTIC:  strikingly or excitingly different or unusual
<BabyRain> Tom, maybe you could solve a mystery for us?
<tjgcowboy> Okay... so now that you "have" me, any more
<GMonkey> So I guess I'm exotic.
<tjgcowboy> questions about the monkey?
<tjgcowboy> What mystery?
<BabyRain> Yes.  Is Don really using it as a coat hanger?
<tjgcowboy> Can't solve that one! Haven't been in Don's office
<tjgcowboy> in years! He's at Paramount now.
<GMonkey> It was reported in the newspapers that he is.
<tjgcowboy> But knowing Don... I'd say, yes, that's what he's 
doing...
<tjgcowboy> and maybe worse! :)
<BabyRain> Can you sneak in and find out?  
<GMonkey> Karen wants to "liberate"  the monkey.
<BabyRain> Save the Monkey!
<tjgcowboy> I think underneath he really loves the show...
<tjgcowboy> but is still mad it only went one year.
<tjgcowboy> ABC wasn't nice to him, moving it all around.
<GMonkey> Aren't we all?!
<BabyRain> Well, he's not the only one.  
<tjgcowboy> As I said the only nice guy at the network was
<tjgcowboy> Jordon Kerner, and then, he didn't have the power
<tjgcowboy> to keep it on!
<tjgcowboy> By the way... Cooked Goose was a bit "strange" since
<GMonkey> Did you get much interference from the ABC suits?
<BabyRain> If there'd been an Internet then, I bet we could have 
saved it.
<tjgcowboy> it was the first show to be shown at 10PM
<tjgcowboy> so we suddenly had to re-write it to make it more 
"adult"!
<tjgcowboy> I don't remember if we did or not.
<tjgcowboy> Don and the rest of us were so damn pissed that
<tjgcowboy> he went to the time slot!
<tjgcowboy> It was an 8:00 action show! That's what we all
<tjgcowboy> did so well!
<tjgcowboy> As I said in one of my rambling postings... the suits
<tjgcowboy> didn't give us much interference, once they had
<tjgcowboy> sort of given up on it!
<BabyRain> Well, at least we almost got to see the"goose-bumps".  
That's one thing to be said for the later time slot.
<tjgcowboy> Ahh, yes, In the hot tub. Those were great to film.
<GMonkey> Yes, I always wondered about that hot-tub scene.
<tjgcowboy> We had a real hot tub on the set!
<BabyRain> By the way, Tom -- I loved the scenes between Jake and 
Corky in "Cooked Goose".
<tjgcowboy> Thank you. I don't like to take credit for much..
<tjgcowboy> but I did re-write those.
<tjgcowboy> The original writer was very good, and is still
<tjgcowboy> very good, but this was one of his first scripts
<BabyRain> It was really intense and moving.
<tjgcowboy> if I remember.
<tjgcowboy> It didn't have layers of emotion. 
<tjgcowboy> That takes some experience to know how to write.
<tjgcowboy> But Jay, who wrote the original script did some
<tjgcowboy> interesting things with the way the characters 
talked.
<tjgcowboy> He had them ramble, not complete sentences, talk
<BabyRain> Like what?
<tjgcowboy> over each other... just like we're doing here: )
<BabyRain> :)
<tjgcowboy> It was a very natural way of writing, and we
<tjgcowboy> tried to keep it in the final script.
<tjgcowboy> I was very impressed with thta.
<tjgcowboy> However, it's hard to read, for the suits, and
<tjgcowboy> the actors and the director.
<tjgcowboy> You don't really want to put in overlapping
<tjgcowboy> talk... in the script. You really just want to
<tjgcowboy> indicate it, and have the actors and director
<tjgcowboy> work it out.
<tjgcowboy> Years later on shows like Hill Street and
<tjgcowboy> Moonlighting, they actually had two columns of
<tjgcowboy> dialogue on a page!
<tjgcowboy> Not done anymore though.
<BabyRain> That would make sense.
<tjgcowboy> God, I do ramble, don't I?
<tjgcowboy> :)
<GMonkey> Nope.  You're doing just fine.  Isn't he, Karen?
<BabyRain> Ramble away.  I'm having fun.  This is stuff I've 
always wanted to know.
<BabyRain> I'm having a blast. :)
<tjgcowboy> I may have told you this, but THREE LITTLE FISHES
<tjgcowboy> was my Mom's idea!
<tjgcowboy> It was, as I said, my first Monkey script, and I
<tjgcowboy> was putting everything into it!
<tjgcowboy> She used to sing it to me when she'd bath me.
<tjgcowboy> And that was just two years ago. :)
<tjgcowboy> I also remembered it from the old Captain Kangeroo 
show.
<BabyRain> How much "control" does a writer have, over things 
like camera angles, directions, things like that?  Is the 
writer "allowed" to indicate such things in the script?
<tjgcowboy> Oh yes! Very much so! If you look at the scripts
<tjgcowboy> you have on your website, you'll see we call
<tjgcowboy> shots, angles, give actor moods, etc.
<tjgcowboy> You do this much more when you're on Staff
<tjgcowboy> on a show, and you really are producing it
<tjgcowboy> and/or directing it as you write.
<tjgcowboy> But even in a feature script, you need the
<tjgcowboy> reader, studio, etc. to get a feeling.
<tjgcowboy> It's like when we do the ":)
<tjgcowboy> stuff since you don't know if I'm joking or
<tjgcowboy> not. I'm finishing writing a big-budget
<tjgcowboy> action movie like INDEPENDENCE DAY right now.
<tjgcowboy> And in this case, I'm trying to do LESS
<tjgcowboy> of that, so that the "read" is easier.
<tjgcowboy> Remember, most of the suits who read
<BabyRain> Yeah, I noticed that in the scripts.  I was at a 
workshop and I was told we couldn't do that -- it was the 
director's job (which I heartily disagreed with and thought 
was bunk).
<tjgcowboy> script... can't read. Literally.
<tjgcowboy> Well, it depends how much you write.
<tjgcowboy> Look at the scripts for Monkey. It's just indications
<tjgcowboy> here and there. 
<tjgcowboy> Sometimes first-time writers OVERWRITE like crazy!
<tjgcowboy> Giving every cut, etc. 
<tjgcowboy> That's just silly!
<tjgcowboy> But, if it's important to show a dramatic cut
<tjgcowboy> you write SMASH CUT or some such thing
<tjgcowboy> so you know its importance.
<BabyRain> Yeah.  That makes sense.  But this person said we 
couldn't do anything.
<tjgcowboy> In fact.. I think Don started the SMASH CUT idea
<tjgcowboy> which is now standard.
<tjgcowboy> Example: 
<tjgcowboy> I'm writing a scene in this screenplay where a 
<tjgcowboy> man dies and as he dies he points to the
<tjgcowboy> reflection of a water tower in a puddle and says
<tjgcowboy> with his last breath: "Don't worry about me... worry 
about that"
<tjgcowboy> We cut to a close up of the reflection of the
<tjgcowboy> water tower, then SMASH CUT to our hero climbing
<tjgcowboy> up the water tower, to see what that has to do
<tjgcowboy> with his best friends death! You'd write:
<tjgcowboy> SMASH CUT: WATER TOWER
<tjgcowboy> which lets the reader know the dramatic impact.
<tjgcowboy> It's important to show timing and pace in a script.
<tjgcowboy> Remember, most writers who teach get their info
<tjgcowboy> from books. Believe me... the REAL WORLD is very, 
<tjgcowboy> very different!
<BabyRain> I'm glad I left that workshop while the instructor was 
taking a smoke break.
<tjgcowboy> Okay, I'm done rambling. Anything else> :)
<BabyRain> Yes.  Can you teach me everything you know? :)
<tjgcowboy> For most instructors, the whole thing is an ego trip!
<tjgcowboy> They are angry that they are teaching and not doing!
<tjgcowboy> Yes, I'd love to teach you everything I know...
<tjgcowboy> but that would take hands on training. :)
<tjgcowboy> Gad... you girls are a bad influence!
<BabyRain> You ... are ... BAD, Tom. :)
<tjgcowboy> Slap me back to my senses.
* BabyRain slaps tjgcowboy around a bit with a large trout
<GMonkey> Don't drag me down into the gutter with Karen! :)
<BabyRain> Feel better? :)
<tjgcowboy> Wait a minute the two of you in the gutter doesn't 
seem like such
<tjgcowboy> a bad thing! :)
* GMonkey slaps tjgcowboy around a bit with a large trout
<tjgcowboy> Best advice about writing: write.
<tjgcowboy> And enjoy the process.
<tjgcowboy> Write what you have a passion for...
<BabyRain> Tom, the part of "Force of Habit" when the Mother 
Superior storms out of the church and straight up to the 
camera -- was that something you indicated in the script?  I 
haven't read that one yet.
<tjgcowboy> not what you think is going to sell.
<tjgcowboy> RE: mother superior.
<tjgcowboy> yes.
<tjgcowboy> I did.
<tjgcowboy> Very much so.
<BabyRain> I thought that was brilliant.
<tjgcowboy> I wanted that to be exactly as it was written,
<tjgcowboy> when the girl tells her what a "blessing" is!
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<BabyRain> Leanne's on her way.  My notify just went off.  She'
<GMonkey> And after all the trouble Lesley, Leanne and I went to 
just so everyone could read those scripts!
<Volterra> hey!
<GMonkey> Hey, Leanne!
<GMonkey> So you got my email?
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<tjgcowboy> In fact, it was our first shot in the show and I was
<tjgcowboy> there to make sure it was done right.
<Volterra> when I logged in just now, yes
<Volterra> Hey, is that Tom Greene!? :)
<tjgcowboy> Shouldn't have worried. Harvey was directing. he can
<tjgcowboy> do no wrong.
<tjgcowboy> Let me look.
<tjgcowboy> Hey... what's he doing here?
* Volterra grins
<Volterra> hey, Tom, nice to see you finally made it
<GMonkey> Tom, do you know Leanne?
<tjgcowboy> Thank babyrain for that
<BabyRain> 9blush)
<tjgcowboy> She led me by the hand... I was scared, but
<tjgcowboy> she was wonderful. 
<BabyRain> I told you I'd take good care of you, Tom ...
<tjgcowboy> Couldn't have done it without her.
<tjgcowboy> I always had a thing for women from "up north".
<BabyRain> Actually, Leanne's the one who told me about the 
winsock stuff
<tjgcowboy> Shy on the outside, and stong on the inside.
<tjgcowboy> That's "strong".
<tjgcowboy> sorry.
<BabyRain> You'll have to come visit, Tom.
<GMonkey> Karen...shy?!!!
<tjgcowboy> Do I know Volterra? I don't know. Do I!
<BabyRain> Actually, in person, I am.  That's one of the reasons 
I write.
<GMonkey> Leanne, Tom.  Tom, Leanne.
* Volterra shakes Tom's hand
<tjgcowboy> See, told you! And I love the way they say "out".
<tjgcowboy> And "oh yeahhhhh".
<GMonkey> How about "eh"?
<BabyRain> Oh no.  Tom knows about "out". :)
<tjgcowboy> Well, everyone knows about that one!
<tjgcowboy> I was trying to be a bit more original!
<BabyRain> All the tourists tease me about "out". :)
<GMonkey> Actually all three of us girls have accents.
<tjgcowboy> It's great. Very sexy. Drives me crazy.
* Volterra is an Aussie, mate
<GMonkey> Babyrain's Canadian.  Leanne's Australian.  And I'm 
Bostonian.
<tjgcowboy> Oh no. Hey Volterra, I may do JASON in Australia!
<Volterra> so did I miss the revealment of the sudden "upping" in 
Jake & Sarah's romance? Do I gotta go read the log?
<Volterra> Tom: cool! On the Gold Coast?
<GMonkey> Nope.  We didn't get that far, Volterra.
<tjgcowboy> Don't know. Village Road Show may get involved.
<tjgcowboy> I'll know in a few weeks.
<tjgcowboy> About Sarah and Jake... we talked a whole lot
<Volterra> Tom: the Gold Coast has a big studio ... Sydney & 
Melbourne are smaller
<tjgcowboy> about that...
<tjgcowboy> Well you'll just have to show me around.
<tjgcowboy> I wrote a pilot about you people and the Abos.
<tjgcowboy> It was called MURDER IN DREAMTIME.
<tjgcowboy> Never been there...
<tjgcowboy> We ended up shooting it in Chicago!
<Volterra> Did you see the Peter Weir film that had a similar 
theme?
<Volterra> Chicago?!
<tjgcowboy> Yep. About the "flood".
<tjgcowboy> In fact we were going to use the "boy" who
<tjgcowboy> was grown by then as the star.
<tjgcowboy> Last Wave. Right?
<Volterra> and turn it into a series? Cool!. Yep Last Wave.
<Volterra> I think the only Aussie movie I've seen Aussies turn 
into a series was "The Man From Snowy River" (bleh. Although 
"whatshisname" was cute ... it'll come to me)
<tjgcowboy> The Aborigine's name (the actor) was David Gulpilil
<tjgcowboy> Gad, how does all that stuff stay in my brain?
<tjgcowboy> Burnam Burnam a wonderful Aborigine was also in that
<tjgcowboy> and he was also going to be in the series.
<Volterra> Tom: you should ask Patricia that -- the things she 
remembers, right Pat?
<tjgcowboy> Hey, am I really talking to Australia right now?
<GMonkey> Oh, um, I don't know.  I can't remember. :)
<tjgcowboy> What time is it? Or should I say day?
<Volterra> I think Burnam Burnam was one of the Aboriginies who 
burnt a flag in the UK.
<tjgcowboy> Yes... that's him. He looks like Santa Claus
<Volterra> Tom: no, I emigrated to San Diego ... it's some 
ungodly hour of the morning back home
<tjgcowboy> Great writer, by the way!
<tjgcowboy> Oh, so you're close to me!
<Volterra> yup
<tjgcowboy> I shot the pilot of JASON in Ramona, just above you.
<GMonkey> Oh dear.  Another conquest. :)
<tjgcowboy> Just did a rodeo in San Diego. Broke my toe again!
<Volterra> nice area .. Hubby Dan and I were up in Julian last 
weekend
<tjgcowboy> We were going to shoot there, actually, but
<tjgcowboy> got a better deal in Romana.
<tjgcowboy> Made it look like Greece!
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<GMonkey> Hmmm...what's the matter, Karen?
<Volterra> Br: you having connect troubles?
<tjgcowboy> BabyRain... you have a twin?
<BabyRain2> My dog knocked the phone off the hook and I got 
disconnected.
*** GMonkey sets mode: +o BabyRain2
<BabyRain2> Apparently the server doesn't want to let me go.
<GMonkey> How can we kill you?
<BabyRain2> Did I miss the answer to the question?
*** BabyRain was kicked by BabyRain2 (BabyRain2)
<Volterra> ping her ... that will help ....
<GMonkey> Well, that's one way of doing it.
*** BabyRain2 is now known as BabyRain
<GMonkey> No, we haven't asked any questions since you 
disappeared.
<tjgcowboy> Okay... I may have to leave soon...
<BabyRain> Did you get mine, or did I disconnect before it went 
through?
<Volterra> Tom and I have been yakking about Australia :)
<tjgcowboy> so ask anything else you want!
<BabyRain> Ummmm ... I was going to ask Leanne's question.
* BabyRain is having an attack of shyness.
<GMonkey> NOW, she's shy! :)
<tjgcowboy> It's that kind of question?
<tjgcowboy> ?:)
<GMonkey> Would you like me to ask the question, ladies?
<Volterra> actually what I want to know is why the scene at the 
end of "high Stakes Lady" was cut ... did DonB not like it?
<BabyRain> Leanne?  Monkey Woman?
* Volterra is as bold as a brass monkey :)
<Volterra> or is that bald? :)
<tjgcowboy> Time... just time. All our shows were too long!
<tjgcowboy> In those days, we had lots more unlimited money
<tjgcowboy> so we'd shoot scenes we knew we'd cut.
<tjgcowboy> Like I told you... I have a LAST CHANCE LOUIE
<tjgcowboy> tape that has two scenes that never made it
<tjgcowboy> to air.
<tjgcowboy> Very common then.
<tjgcowboy> Not common at all now!
<tjgcowboy> Tight, tight money now!
<Volterra> so with the video release (cross fingers) we'd get 
previously unseen footage?
<tjgcowboy> If I find the tape, I'll send it to GMonkey.
<tjgcowboy> It's a rough cut,.
<GMonkey> Thanks, Tom.
<tjgcowboy> It's funny, sometimes people here in Hollywood still
<tjgcowboy> call it Brass Monkey
<Volterra> Lois & Clark snip good footage like that all the time. 
Drives the fans nuts when they hear about it. "You mean we got 
1 minute more of those goofy villains instead of a nice scene 
with L&C?"
<tjgcowboy> which is what it was right up to air time!
<tjgcowboy> Couldn't call it Brass Monkey at the last minute,
<tjgcowboy> since the guys who make the booze with that name
<tjgcowboy> was going to sue Universal.
<tjgcowboy> Must say at the time I hated Gold Monkey.
<tjgcowboy> But now I couldn't see it any other way.
<tjgcowboy> It was very hard at first to keep saying GOld... gold 
monkey
<GMonkey> I must say that the full title doesn't make much sense 
to me.
<tjgcowboy> We had a cup and every time anyone said Brass
<BabyRain> I like the Gold Monkey title better anyway.  It seems 
to sum up a great deal of idealism.  Brass Monkey would have 
been too pessimistic.
<tjgcowboy> they'd have to put in a dollar!
<GMonkey> "Tales of the Gold Monkey" sounds like a supernatural 
anthology series.
<Volterra> "totgum" makes more sense :)
<tjgcowboy> think if you had to write: TOTBUM!
<Volterra> but you know, what else could you call it???
<tjgcowboy> Or TOTBM. Much worse.
<tjgcowboy> Jake and the fatman?
<Volterra> Heh, heh. That would make for some great fanfic :)
<BabyRain> TOTBUM?  Tales of the Big Unloved Monkey?  It could be 
a new series about Don's office.
<tjgcowboy> It drove George Giger crazy. He did I think three
<tjgcowboy> series after that with a main character named Jake!
<tjgcowboy> Hey... I have "corky" in my screenplay. He's very 
much
<tjgcowboy> like Gold Monkey's corky!
<tjgcowboy> And To Have and To Have Not was just on AMC
<tjgcowboy> out here. Amazing how similar they are!
<BabyRain> Monkey Woman, would you ask The Question, please?
*** Volterra changes topic to "Save the Gold Monkey!"
<GMonkey> All right, THE QUESTION...
<GMonkey> We were all pretty confused about Jake and Sarah's 
relationship.
<GMonkey> They seemed to be awfully chummy in the later episodes, 
but there's no real reference for this.
<GMonkey> Are we just nuts?
<GMonkey> Okay, so I didn't phrase the question quite the way 
Babyrain would. :)
<tjgcowboy> No... in the later episodes, as I said, we were on at 
10:00 PM
<tjgcowboy> so we were making them more "hot".
<tjgcowboy> Remember, they kissed a lot more in the later shows!
<BabyRain> Ah.  So we blame the Weenies. :)
<tjgcowboy> By the way, I thought Corky's character was much
<tjgcowboy> more like out of Two Rode Together.
<tjgcowboy> I used to run it and get ideas from watching Walter 
Brennen
<tjgcowboy> in that one and his relationship with Jimmy Stewart.
<tjgcowboy> Fun note: in those days there was no video~! So
<tjgcowboy> we would watch all dailies and any movie we wanted
<tjgcowboy> in the big screening rooms. You could order any
<tjgcowboy> movie you wanted and just in there alone and watch
<tjgcowboy> these great movies. 
<BabyRain> COOL.
<tjgcowboy> You had to make an excuse so that you could justify
<tjgcowboy> the expense in the budget to rent them...
<tjgcowboy> and I think we were more creative with these excuses,
<tjgcowboy> than we were in the scripts! :)
<tjgcowboy> I know we spent more time on them.
<tjgcowboy> Mostly we'd want to see a movie we hadn't seen in a 
long time.
<tjgcowboy> Remember, back then there was no video shops!
<tjgcowboy> Gad have things changed quickly.
<tjgcowboy> However as I told you, it really paid off with
<tjgcowboy> Devil at Four O'clock!
<tjgcowboy> About Jake and Sarah-Part2
<tjgcowboy> To let you in on a secret...
<tjgcowboy> if the show had continued, they never would have
<tjgcowboy> "done it". It would have ruined the relationship,
<tjgcowboy> and we knew it would have taken the sparks away.
<BabyRain> Yes! 
<tjgcowboy> Jake would have finally gotten some "warmth"
<Volterra> oh, the "moonlighting" myth
<tjgcowboy> with someone else... as would have Sarah.
<BabyRain> Oh.
<tjgcowboy> Moonlighting myth is VERY TRUE. Show went downhill
<tjgcowboy> after that!
<tjgcowboy> If look at Magnum, he rarely if ever got "warmth"
<BabyRain> Same thing with "Scarecrow and Mrs. King"
<Volterra> show went downhill because the stars couldn't work on 
set together
<tjgcowboy> Don believe very strongly that it would cheapen him.
<tjgcowboy> That too, Volterra! Egos were exploding brain matter 
all over the camera lens!
<tjgcowboy> And poor Bruce. Where is he today?
<Volterra> I think the *real* problem is that writers can't write 
marriages with excitement in them, (barring Mad about You)
<tjgcowboy> Just like Lani Anderson.
<tjgcowboy> Or Shelly Long.
<Volterra> Bruce Boxleitner: isn't he on Voyager?
<GMonkey> Babylon 5.
<tjgcowboy> Yes, that's different. If the show starts with them
<tjgcowboy> married, you can get away with it.
<tjgcowboy> I have to very sexy women characters in Jason
<BabyRain> Bruce Boxleitner ... Isn't he the guy who played that 
pilot in the South Pacific? :)
<tjgcowboy> that will most likely never get it on with Jason.
<Volterra> well, *why* is it different? It's like writers start 
thinking "well, they're married now, their lives are over"
<tjgcowboy> Not at all! It's just that you expect them to
<tjgcowboy> make love when married.
<GMonkey> Leanne's thinking of L&C, aren't you?
<tjgcowboy> I'm not married yet... so you married girls will
<tjgcowboy> have to tell me. Is life over after marriage?!?!? 
<Volterra> definitely not!
<BabyRain> Only if the hubby owns a computer store. 
<BabyRain> :)
<tjgcowboy> There you go. 
<Volterra> there's still that playful banter and teasing and 
tension
<tjgcowboy> Tension is wonderful to write!
<Volterra> that writers suddenly stop writing as soon as the two 
characters cross over the bedroom threshold
<GMonkey> But, don't many shows use the "warmth" technique as a 
last ditch effort?
<tjgcowboy> In JASON, the character of Atalanta who is
<Volterra> Pat: it's only just starting to come back into L&C in 
patches now.
<tjgcowboy> also an argonaut has a curse...
<tjgcowboy> if she makes love she will turn into a lioness and
<tjgcowboy> eat her man!
<tjgcowboy> So she can never totally fall in love.
<tjgcowboy> It's based on a girl I once dated. :)
<GMonkey> Bummer! :)
<BabyRain> HAHAHA!
<tjgcowboy> Anyway. That will give you great tension between her 
and Jason.
<tjgcowboy> And yes... when a show get's tired...
<tjgcowboy> the "suits" always say: Get 'em in the sack!"
<tjgcowboy> And it always kills the show.
<tjgcowboy> The audience always wants to dream that they would
<tjgcowboy> have a chance with them if only they could jump
<tjgcowboy> into the TV set. 
<tjgcowboy> Once you take that dream away... it's over.
<BabyRain> I *never* dreamt that about Jake.  Never. :)
<tjgcowboy> In shows where they are already married,
<Volterra> It kills the show because writers can't make the 
switch from "unresovled romance" into "Mad About You"
<Volterra> BR: liar
<tjgcowboy> you are dreaming about having that kind of 
relationship 
<tjgcowboy> with your wife or hubby, or with that "prince or 
princess"
<tjgcowboy> that's going to come into your life.
<tjgcowboy> Hey... you never thought that about Jake!
<tjgcowboy> Come on!!!
<BabyRain> I was TWELVE!
<tjgcowboy> So?
<tjgcowboy> We got letters from twelve year olds all the time
<tjgcowboy> with "crushes"!
<Volterra> BR: it didn't stop me ... my imaginings may have been 
PG but still ...
<tjgcowboy> More them than the "older" women in fact!
<BabyRain> A very ... imaginative ... twelve, mind you, who slept 
with a giant Smurf next to her so she could pretend it was 
Jake ...
<tjgcowboy> I'm talking about a crush! 
<GMonkey> Tom, you probably got a few letter from Babyrain. :)
<tjgcowboy> Yikes, I'll have to tell Steve about that one!
<BabyRain> NO!
<GMonkey> Too late!!! :)
<tjgcowboy> Yes I did. We had to turn those over to the FBI 
though.
<BabyRain> me can't believe she just let out the Great Smurh 
Secret...
<GMonkey> But they couldn't prosecute because she's a Canadian. 
:)
<BabyRain> I'm so embarrassed I can't type
<GMonkey> Don't worry, Karen.  Nobody will tell SC.
<tjgcowboy> You should be. I still have the photos.
<BabyRain> Tom I did send you a letter, actually.
<tjgcowboy> That was a big smurf... by the way!
<tjgcowboy> I will.
<GMonkey> He can just read about it himself when I post this log 
to the site.
<BabyRain> What if he reads the log?
* BabyRain beats her head on the desk
<BabyRain> It was my sister's Smurf.
<GMonkey> And for the record, I didn't think that way about Jake 
either.
<tjgcowboy> I really want to know more about this smurf secret.!
<tjgcowboy> e-mail me!
<tjgcowboy> :)
<BabyRain> Tom, it might be too hot for you to handle. :)
<tjgcowboy> Your smurf? Or the e-mail?
<GMonkey> I strongly identified with Sarah, so I always wanted 
her to get him.
<tjgcowboy> And remember, I wrestle long-horns... nothings too 
hot!
<BabyRain> Oooooooh.
<GMonkey> Hey, hey, hey!  I run a "family" site, here.  I don't 
want to brand this log TV-M! :)
<BabyRain> Oh, just post the log in a later slot.
<BabyRain> :)
<tjgcowboy> Funny trivia: I used to be forwarded all the letters
<tjgcowboy> from kids wanting to know what the "blessings" were!
<GMonkey> I'm gonna run the risk of being boycotted by Rev. 
Wildmon. :)
<BabyRain> Does anyone actually read the logs anyway?
<GMonkey> What did you tell them, Tom?
<BabyRain> Really, TOM?!
<tjgcowboy> Depends on how old they were!
<GMonkey> AND YES!!!  PEOPLE READ THESE LOGS!!!
<tjgcowboy> This very little ones I said he gave them candy.,
<BabyRain> I know the "blessings" were totally over my head, 
Smurf and all.
<tjgcowboy> Alittle older I said: It was like a slumber party!
<BabyRain> hahahaha
<tjgcowboy> Sounds like with that smurk you were way over your 
own head.
<tjgcowboy> I guess they grow up fast in the north.
<tjgcowboy> Must be the chill factor.
<tjgcowboy> That's why I like those northern women!
<GMonkey> She may have been 12, but she was a sultry 12. :)
<BabyRain> I was indeed.
<tjgcowboy> Well, we've come full circle.
<tjgcowboy> My horses await... so have any last questions?
<BabyRain> Tom, you won't tell Steve about the Smurf, will you?
<BabyRain> I'll absolutely die if you do.
<tjgcowboy> YOU BET! RIGHT AWAY! AND FAYE TOO!
<tjgcowboy> You still have it? Or did you wear it out?
<BabyRain> NO.  I'll do anything.  Name your price.
<GMonkey> Do you have any pictures of you and the Smurf, BR?
<tjgcowboy> e-mail me. :)
* GMonkey runs from an irate Babyrain!
<BabyRain> I just slept with the thing.  I didn't *sleep* with 
the thing.  Besides, it was my sister's.
<tjgcowboy> Too late. The smurf's out of the bag.
<BabyRain> I stole it at night. :)
<BabyRain> My sister is going to have a field day when I show her 
this. :)
<GMonkey> You'll have to buy her another smurf to make it up to 
her.
<BabyRain> Steve will never ever write me again now.  He'll be 
totally convinced I'm a nutcase.
<tjgcowboy> Or take it to be dry cleaned.
<BabyRain> Can you still buy Smurfs?
<Volterra> so it was a smurfed smurf? (sorry)
<BabyRain> It was Pilot Smurf. :)
<GMonkey> Did he have a little hat? :)
<tjgcowboy> fur chest and all?
<BabyRain> Oh my god -- you do read the logs. :)
<GMonkey> You see!!  I told you people read the logs!!!
<BabyRain> Do you read the fan-fic, too?
<tjgcowboy> No.. haven't read those. The logs are adorable.
<GMonkey> That's what you get for doubting Monkey Woman!!
<tjgcowboy> However.
<BabyRain> I'll have to throw a Smurf in.
<tjgcowboy> I'm never going to look at a stuffed smurk the same 
again. Never.
* Volterra chuckles
<GMonkey> And you're the better person for it, Tom. :)
<tjgcowboy> I think there's a toy store around here that's open
<tjgcowboy> this early
<BabyRain> And I only have nine months to get past this smurf 
thing so I can face you guys at the convention. :)
<BabyRain> oh no
<GMonkey> Like we won't be bringing smurfs with us now.
<tjgcowboy> Bring it with you. Steve could... ummm... autograph 
it for you.
<Volterra> If we can find any game enough to come along
<tjgcowboy> Where is the big question.
<BabyRain> I have visions of Steve walking up to me and handing 
me a Smurf:  "Sorry, Karen.  It's the best I can do."
<GMonkey> Okay, folks, last question time!
<GMonkey> Enough with the damn smurfs!!!!
<tjgcowboy> Yes, please, my horses are about to attach me in my 
office!
<GMonkey> Until next chat that is. :)
<GMonkey> Okay, any other questions?
<Volterra> not at the moment
<tjgcowboy> Any last requests before I haul hay and oats?
<BabyRain> Tom, if a reunion movie could be made, what should the 
plotline be?
<tjgcowboy> Well... I think, if you remember,
<tjgcowboy> Bora Gora was blown away by the volcano...
<tjgcowboy> (and now there's two volcano movies coming out)
<tjgcowboy> talk about being ahead of my time!)
<tjgcowboy> So I think it would take place only a year
<tjgcowboy> later of so, and they would rebuild.
<tjgcowboy> They would all have tried to make something 
<Volterra> "Jake crash lands on a deserted island populated by 
small blue people. Sarah and Corky come to the rescue"
<tjgcowboy> of themselves on the outside, and found
<tjgcowboy> it's better there in Bora Gora. 
<tjgcowboy> It's scary but Steve and Jeff don't look
<Volterra> but at the end, they all went back a week after the 
volcano blew
<tjgcowboy> any different than they did back then!
<BabyRain> Really, Tom?
<tjgcowboy> yep.
* BabyRain thinks she needs to get a new Smurf.
<tjgcowboy> Of course, they'd go back because Louie would
<GMonkey> I thought you had one called Doug? :)
<tjgcowboy> have had a secret of something that buried or
<tjgcowboy> some such thing... and they
<BabyRain> No, that's a Walking Furry Chest. :)
<tjgcowboy> could all use the money!
<tjgcowboy> It's all beginning to sound like the Musical "Always 
Fair Weather".
<tjgcowboy> Anyway, ladies. must run!
<tjgcowboy> This has been wonderful!
<GMonkey> Thanks for dropping by, Tom!
<tjgcowboy> I have no idea how do to this again...
<BabyRain> Thanks for coming, Tom.  It was great!
<Volterra> byw Tom!
<tjgcowboy> but I'm glad I took the challenge!
<GMonkey> We'll show you how.
<BabyRain> I'll help you, Tom.
<tjgcowboy> bye=-bye!!!!! and keep up the good work!
<BabyRain> You too!
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<GMonkey> Now, that was fun, wasn't it?
<BabyRain> I'm absolutely mortified.
<Volterra> uh huh
<GMonkey> Karen, don't you need to get ready for you meeting 
thingie?
<BabyRain> But I'm relieved he doesn't read the fan-fic.
<BabyRain> Oh.  I forgot all about it.  Missed my bus.
<GMonkey> Or are you so embarrassed over the smurf incident that 
you can't face these people?
<BabyRain> They don't know.  I never told anyone before.  Only my 
sister knew.
<BabyRain> And I bribed her with candy.
<GMonkey> The whole world will soon know.  MWAHAHAHAHA!!
<BabyRain> I can't believe I told you guys that.  And TOM, of all 
people. :)
<GMonkey> It's amazing the stuff people will reveal in the 
comfort of their own home.
<GMonkey> If we were all chatting in person, you never would have 
said anything.
<BabyRain> I probably would have told you, Patricia, but not Tom.
<GMonkey> At first, I thought you were joking about the smurf.
<GMonkey> Did you realize that we all showed up here early 
because Gayle suggested it, and she never showed up?
<GMonkey> Her loss!
<BabyRain> I think she'll be jealous. :)
<GMonkey> So do you want to wrap this up?
<GMonkey> I've got to start digging my car out of all this snow.
<BabyRain> If I hadn't gotten so embarrassed, I probably could 
have let it go as a joke. :)
<GMonkey> Oh, Leanne.  We were thinking of keeping the chat room 
open Saturdays from 11 am to 3 pm ET.
<GMonkey> Neither Karen or I would be here for the entire time, 
but I'd be logging it the whole time.
<GMonkey> It might be a good way for more people to join in.
<GMonkey> What do you think?
<GMonkey> Are you even still there?
<BabyRain> brb in half a second
<GMonkey> Is anybody there?
<BabyRain> I'm still here
<GMonkey> Well, we really should sign off, huh?
<BabyRain> Where did she go?
<GMonkey> I hope they've plowed the roads.
<GMonkey> Dunno.
<BabyRain> I hope we don't get your snow.
<GMonkey> Probably off to check her email.
<GMonkey> She probably rushed right over after she read my email.
<BabyRain> Ah.
<BabyRain> By the way, my sister named the Smurf.
<GMonkey> Well, the main road seems fine, and the secondary road 
doesn't look too bad either.
<GMonkey> What did she name the smurf?
<BabyRain> Well, that's good.  You can see both from where you 
are?
<BabyRain> Chester.
<BabyRain> She thought that was a good name for the Smurf.
<GMonkey> I'm on the side road and the main road runs just off 
it.
<GMonkey> I don't think Leanne's coming back.
<BabyRain> Usually she doesn't leave without saying goodbye, 
though
<GMonkey> And now that Tom's gone, everything else is 
anti-climactic.
<BabyRain> Oh, he'll love that line.  It's nice to know that 
there are minds out there just as twisted as mine. :)
<GMonkey> Maybe Hubby Dan is talking to her.
<GMonkey> It's actually scary to know that there are minds out 
there just as twisted as yours. :)
<BabyRain> It must be a writer-thing. :)
<GMonkey> Nope, I don't think that's it. :)
<BabyRain> Okay.  :)
<GMonkey> Well, I really should get going.
<GMonkey> It's going to take me forever to get to the 
supermarket.
<BabyRain> Yeah, I have ten minutes to get dressed, look human, 
and get to that meeting.
<BabyRain> The human part is the toughest.
<GMonkey> And there's going to be nutsos buying bread and milk 
preparing for the worst.
<GMonkey> Good luck with the human thingie. :)
<BabyRain> How much snow are you supposed to get?
<GMonkey> It's stopped now.  They first said 2-4 inches.  Then 
upped it to 3-6.  Looks like at least 7 inches out there.
<GMonkey> But like I said, on the radar pictures, it showed the 
storm moving out to sea.
<BabyRain> Greeeeeat.  So it looks like I should make it an early 
night, then.
<GMonkey> I don't think you'll get hit.
<BabyRain> I hope not.
<BabyRain> Well, I guess she's not coming back.
<GMonkey> Guess not.
<BabyRain> Shall we?
<Volterra> sorry, I'm controoling an opinionated bitch on my 
warlow list
<Volterra> I forgot I was connected :(
<BabyRain> Oh.
<BabyRain> She forgot about us???
<Volterra> sorry, not controlling -- reprimanding. She thinks 
she's sllist admin
<BabyRain> Hmph.
<GMonkey> That's okay.  See ya gals Tuesday night (or afternoon)?
<BabyRain> I'll be there.
<Volterra> yep, I'll be there.
<GMonkey> Okey dokey.  Talk to ya then.
<GMonkey> Bye!
<BabyRain> Bye!
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